mad dog and john watson siv with fingers comentry

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:06 pm

some good video

John Watson · Post by **John Watson** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:53 pm

Terrible take off and landing

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:29 pm

SIV on Crossfell - 400ft top to bottom... come on lads get a grip...

Club Safety officer...any comments ?

AlastairW · Post by **AlastairW** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:32 am

It was obviously not an SIV course Ronnie...... people wanted their final tasks for the Pilot rating signing of, so that their papers could be submitted to the BHPA and they could get the shiny new badge that goes with the Pilot rating..... even Mad Dog was keen to get the badge!

Nothing more than a few asymmetric collapses.

Absolutley flat conditions.... far better than trying to do them on a thermic day over Blease with loads of gliders in the air. Everyone took of one at a time, and were in constant radio communication.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:23 am

Alistair, I'm fully aware why they were doing them ...but you know 400ft is far too low ! sorry if I'm being a pain in the arse but when other club members see this sort of stuff they might have a go !

Can you tell me whats happening with our new 'Club Coaches' are they signed off yet ?

AlastairW · Post by **AlastairW** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:12 pm

So what height would you suggest Ronnie?

John Watson · Post by **John Watson** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:20 pm

I think Titlington might be a good site for the sats next time, we'll throw John Miller off first Ehh?
Seriously though Ronnie, x fell is a nice High site, I cant think of a better one in our club, and it was very calm conditions as Alistair said.
I do appreciate your concern as I am Sure you were worried about me

I Know you still have a place in that stubborn heart for me Ronnie

brian day · Post by **brian day** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:12 pm

I wonder where Ronnie will be doing the assymetric fro the CP?
In those conditions there was plenty of height available to do two assymetrics for more than 5 secs a piece, two 360 spirals and still have 100ft to lose before landing. Ali did the task first to make sure that everything was ok and helped us through the task with full radio contact. I am generally a cautious pilot, but felt fully confident in Ali's ability and site assessment for the task. More than pleased with the result.
Thanks for spending the time to do it with us Ali. Hope to fly with you again soon.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:38 pm

Brian, have you forgot C.P. only do 'big ears' not 50% assymetrics with only 400ft ! not impressed....Ive' done them off the winch at !000ft minimum with no hill behind me...

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:21 pm

C.P. do have to do an asymmetric collapse for their rating.

BHPA Paragliding Student Log Book states:

Phase 9: Instability and emergencies

Objective: The student should understand techniques to recover controlled flight and be aware of techniques and procedures used during an emergency.

Exercise 36: Dealing with an asymmetric tuck
The student should reach a reasonable and consistent level of competence at dealing with and recovering from an asymmetric tuck of more then 15% and less than 35% . This is effectively one 'big ears' and should be conducted on that basis. Initially training should be cared out on the ground first. This exercise must be carried out at an appropriate altitude in smooth conditions and with effective communication.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:48 pm

Like I said Gordie...Big ears not 50%

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:56 pm

No Ronny 'Aysmetric'. Big ears is a completley different exercise number 35: Rapid decent technics. Can't be bother typing the rest out as you should be awiar of it.

Suprise your not awair of this and the differences between the two.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:07 am

Big ears 'rapid decent ' asymmetrics 15-35% you must have the same books as me Gordie 'well there you go'

OK, wrong wording

in answer to Brian day - students only do 15-35% asymmetric not 50 %

I used to have big ears when I was 10yrs old ! still have...

brian day · Post by **brian day** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:38 pm

Upper case 'D' if you don't mind Ronnie.
35% - 50% = 15% would be interesting to know what difference this little bit makes? I'm sure someone will enlighten me.
But the fact remains, as I stated Ali did a good site and flight assessment which I had full confidence in.
Thanks Gordie for pointing out the facts regarding the CP syllabus, as I'm sure someone was just trying to bullshit me, I could feel the hackles rising as I read it, I was pleased that you had taken up the mantle for me!

John Watson · Post by **John Watson** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:41 pm

I sometimes feel like grabbing your big ears and pulling you all over the place utill your screaming "Let me go" "Let me go"

Bob Sutherland · Post by **Bob Sutherland** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:08 pm

ron freeman wrote:

Can you tell me whats happening with our new 'Club Coaches' are they signed off yet ?

Got mine !

Sad Northerner · Post by **Sad Northerner** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:17 pm

I can't believe the Cavalier approach taken to SIV within this club. Completing instability manoeuvres at a height of 400ft at High cap is the sort of behaviour that will give this club a bad name and to think that because one reckless individual carried out such manoeuvres other NHPC members should then act like Lemmings is quite frankly unbelievable!!

AlastairW · Post by **AlastairW** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:29 pm

Would that be a Vauxhall Cavalier Ali?

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:00 pm

OK take the pi.. from the video John Watson nearly stuffed it in ! thats not funny... you and Wolfie have done this before but I bet you were much higher than 400ft !

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:10 am

Ali told me to do it

John Watson · Post by **John Watson** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:36 am

The Video is very deceptive Ronnie, I didnt nearly stuff it in as you said, it was Nill wind and I had cleared the ridge for about seven seconds before I done the collapse. Im sure it could be worked out how far out from the hill I was 25Kmh x 7 seconds = about 150 ft

If I had held it down and not done anything then yes I probably would have hurt myself after a couple of rotations, anyway, alister Guthrie made me do it, he said I wouldnt get any scones and cream if I didnt.
He said next we will throw the reserve. Anyway Ron youre insane so I dont know why Im talking to you --- Bye

brian day · Post by **brian day** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:16 am

act like Lemmings

Hey, I love playing Lemmings, it's great when they blow up, you can live in your own little imaginary world and pretend they're someone really annoying!!!!

And I love my little imaginary world, with Happy buses, psychedelic flowers and surf rainbows

The sun came up on the happy side this morning

Sad Northerner · Post by **Sad Northerner** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:35 am

I can't believe the great approach taken to SIV within this club. Safely completing instability manoeuvres at a height of over 400ft at High cap is the sort of behaviour that will take this club onto greater things and to think that because one responsible individual demonstrating how to do this safely should be enough to inspire other other NHPC members to better themselves is quite frankly fantastic!!

PS

Brian your Pilot paper is in the post
John you need to sit your exam
Mad D and Fingers ...I need your log book.

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:14 am

Well done guys on getting through your pilot rating tasks, asymmetric can be very intimidating but by taking the correct approach with an experienced coach and choosing the right conditions and site to do it from, as we see from the video they are very straight forward and nothing to fear.

Ronnie my advice to you would be to shut up. Most of the comments you are making are not positive or constructive and are simply highlighting your obvious lack of knowledge and naivety of how a Paraglider actually flys. Listen to the pilots around you who know what they are talking about and stop trying to get one over on every body. Also you choose to make some derogatory comments about me recently concerning my incident blacking out in a spiral dive, which you have now choose to edit. If you have something to say then be a man say it and stand by it. I get the idea that you tend to open your mouth before you have your brain in gear which is doing your reputation no favors.

There I have said my bit and have no intention of editing it!

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:31 am

ron freeman wrote:OK take the pi.. from the video John Watson nearly stuffed it in ! thats not funny... you and Wolfie have done this before but I bet you were much higher than 400ft !

Ron there is christian rock

But there is "Rock"

If you wana get down you gota to dance with the Devil, come on in, pull up a chair, take a sip. Go to hell? at least we'll have had it bloody good on the way.

You never know Ron, you might enjoy yourself.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:20 pm

Thanks Gordie for that.. have you forgot about all the punters that I've sent your way over the last three years ! but no more I can train them now...

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:10 am

Cheers Ronnie for another helpfull usefull comment which is relevent to
the thread!

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:57 pm

About as relevant as you telling me to shut up.

Fingers · Post by **Fingers** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:58 pm

ron freeman wrote:OK take the pi.. from the video John Watson nearly stuffed it in ! thats not funny... you and Wolfie have done this before but I bet you were much higher than 400ft !

People in glass houses should keep quite...

Is doing what is actually quite benign maneuvers with 400 foot clearance any more dangerous than having to perform wing overs 10 foot off the ground? Which caused one man to not participate as he felt it was dangerous and one other to flat spin it to the ground.

What do you think Ron? Eh!!

Those who are without sin cast the first stone.

I am posting this as in the last week or so I feel you have gone way way over the top Ron,...

You have so much knowlage and experiance, its such a shame no one can get through the bullshit and bollocks to benifit from it.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:58 pm

I take it you are referring to last years club competition... in which 19 club members took part (you include) and they all had a good time with no complaints.

The task was...you had to cross a line running down East hill fifteen times and the pilot with the quickest time won.

It was every pilots own choice on how to do the task, it was not a wing over task as you put it.

Now like everyone else in the club they are entitled to their own opinion and if you think that is bullshit and bollocks fine by me.

Final post for me on this thread.

NHPC Private and Public Forum

mad dog and john watson siv with fingers comentry

mad dog and john watson siv with fingers comentry

SIV on crossfell

Aware...

Assymetrics ?

Big ears

Big ear's

Re: Aware...

RECKLESS BEHAVIOUR!!!

Taken the p..ss

Re: Taken the p..ss

Thanks

Relevant ?

Re: Taken the p..ss

Thread !