sunday pg club competition cross fell

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:53 am

there is a chance for some wsw with cloud and sunshine for sunday though it is to early to tell wether or not it will stay dry.

what is the feeli ng to give it a go on sunday?

penrith is giving cloud and sunshine and it is summer so you never know we may get our best chance so far this year for a club comp

john wallace over to you to do some planing as your the man who knows this better than anyone though i have some fair ideas

Bradleisure · Post by **Bradleisure** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:34 am

I don't know if this is true

"45km of ridge ( 50km from 1 pm local time on sundays, when the Warcop Danger Area closes )"

4th Paragraph I think (or do the Crtl F thing with "Warcop")

found it on http://www.edensoaring.co.uk

If it is and the weather is right SUNDAY sounds the best day of the week!

bill-scott · Post by **bill-scott** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:08 pm

Isnt ther supposed to be a big sailplame comp there this weekend Ive also just rented a wheelchair and promised to boule my fatha round the sunderland airshow so thats me out

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:16 pm

these is some waypoints to have a go at if the club comp does go ahead if not they can always come in for practice

please download and print off

Bradleisure · Post by **Bradleisure** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:29 pm

Don't know if this will help...

Various waypoint files...

PLEASE CHECK THESE WAYPOINTS NO PROMISE OF ACCURACY!!!

Google Earth KMZ & KML

Garmin TXT

GPS standard GPX

PS Tell me to keep my nose out if I'm not of help.

Bradleisure · Post by **Bradleisure** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:01 pm

I'll have to start a new topic if anyone wants any more as it won't let me post them.

Many thanks to http://www.gpsbabel.org/

Try it , use it and make a donation.

I did now I'm hooked!

dave-mclaughlin · Post by **dave-mclaughlin** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:14 pm

bill-scott wrote:Isnt ther supposed to be a big sailplame comp there this weekend

Yes, looks like there is a comp on. Notam says:-

Q) EGTT/QWGLW/IV/M/W/000/350/5441N00235W025
FROM: 08/07/26 00:00 TO: 08/08/03 23:59

E) MOUNTAIN WAVE GLIDING/SOARING EXPEDITION. INTENSE GLIDING ACTIVITY
MAINLY WI 25NM RAD 544152N 0023506W (SKELLING FARM GS,CUMBRIA).
UP TO 25 GLIDERS MAY PARTICIPATE. FLTS ABOVE FL190 WILL REMAIN WI
THE CONFINES OF THE UK AIP PUBLISHED SPADEADAM TRA(G)(LOWER AND
UPPER). (UP TO FL350)SUBJECT TO AGREED PROCEDURES. FOR INFO ON DAILY
ACTIVITY
CONTACT EDEN SOARING LAUNCH CONTROL TEL 07849 979575.
AUS ACN 2008-05-0058 REFERS.
AUS 08-07-0167/AS2.

LOWER: SFC
UPPER: FL350
SCHEDULE: HJ

Bradleisure · Post by **Bradleisure** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:16 am

We playing or not then?

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:14 am

like what you have done with the waypoints tony, any chance you can do them in flychart so that they can be ready to download straight onto your compeo 50/20 etc

cheers gary

yes i think sunday will be on

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:16 am

I know this has been mentioned many times before on here, and I was a bit surprised to still hear pilots are still keen to fly through Warcop.

Even when the airspace may be open and public allowed on the land you must stick to the public rights of way. If you do land out in this area (as has happened before by a certain naive and irresponsible paraglider pilot, who had been made fully aware of the airspace and had no excuses for their actions) then you will potentially be on ground with no public access and surrounded by unexploded audience. If this was the case I don't think the MOD would be to impressed by your action and yet future lower the image of our sport.

If you are that desperate to fly through there and taste the 'forbidden fruits of Warcop' then go and join the Sailplane club and fly something which has the performance to fly you through the air space safely.

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:19 am

And for more information on local NOTAMS:

http://cumbriasoaringclub.co.uk/CSC_Home.php

and look at the news section, pre flight planning is just as important as choosing which site to fly.

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:30 am

It's OK Gordie Warcop has been discussed since it was posted and the very fact that that you cant guarantee clearing it means we will not be using it. Especially in the wake of a certain XC flight we must all be more accountable.

gordie · Post by **gordie** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:18 am

Fair enough John. I'll crawl back down my hole now.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:39 pm

Gary, you might be able to fly a comp at very short notice but others can't ! all members should have a chance to take part...

Comps could be run on the last weekend in every month starting from May...

Club comps should be for introducing new pilots to the competition scene,
make it too complicated and you will lose interest... we don't need GPS for taking part in a club comp !

I agree with Gordie concerning Warcrop ! I feel its now time for our chairman to have a say on why a large majority of our club members are getting away with not Notaming when flying mid week ! and what is the club committee going to do about it !!!

God for bid if someone gets hurt due to avoiding and jet or bringing a jet to the ground !!! the first thing the CAA will do is look at how we are running the club with regards to notaming....

Post by **colin keightley** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:07 pm

Just an idea but can we create a notam section on the forum or even put them in the Flying today section so that:-

A) We dont duplicate NOTAMS

and

B) We can see if NOTAMS are being placed

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:24 pm

with ayear of flying what where geting at the mo then calling a comp at short notice is the only way. for one it should be where a decent task can be set for all new and old . as for the gps waypoints they were optional but as most people have them now why not have a go at using them and also get a bit of coaching on the way.

as for the last wekend in the month a its bolocks and be it is any way.

a comp is ment to be for all to compete at all levels but ultimately for the best person on the day to winn.

John Wallis · Post by **John Wallis** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:44 pm

Ronnie let Gary get on with it he's put some effort into it already and he has some good ideas. As he said the turn points with GPS were optional and the way the weather has been all year we have to call it at relatively short notice, look how long I've been waiting for a decent day to run the HG comp, we are just not getting the breaks. Gary was prepared to help all pilots with GPS to load the way points including me I've never bothered with that side of my vario. Plus this is the first comp he's ran and if he does as well as the position he came up in Scotland beating Guthrie and Miskin (Sorry lads) He'll do us a good job.

We all have our different ways of doing things let him do his without telling him him what people want and don't want.

We even discussed how you ran the last para club comp which was an excellent idea and turned out to be a cracking day.

Bradleisure · Post by **Bradleisure** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:57 pm

Well said Mr Wallis!

Why is it that some people find it so hard to be anything other than negative?

Great effort Gary!

I'm sure I'm not the only grateful one.

YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE

Misk · Post by **Misk** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:10 pm

Hear hear! Tip-top ginger...........

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:04 am

I am entitled to my own positive opinion (god forbid) !

The only reason our last pg comp was good was because I gave everyone the chance to take part ! (plenty of notice)

There is still plenty of time to have HG & Pg comps without the panic !

Post by **gary stenhouse** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:57 pm

i can not see why 90% of all the people in this club could not be available on a sunday with 4 day notice.

after all it is only a fun comp, but a comp that can produce a bit more than a scratch around is a comp worth having. the only way that this can be achieved is to have it on a big site and at shorter notice than using the end of each month.

why would you only use the end of each month?

not everyone is interested in club comps and if you are you would make the efort to switch things around if need be if the weather was right.

any way i am away the next 2 weekends and then it is the bcc so i guess as usual we will end up with a spot land or fly down comp.

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:33 pm

Our club pg comps have never been a fly down or a spot landing comp !

You don't need big hills to have a good fun competition...

With Bcc, Bpc, Lakes charity classic, holidays all together... quite a few members having three hols a year...& on top of this ! poor weather, I'm not suprised there has been no competition yet ! patience Gary patience...

When you get back from your hols... you can present the winner with the trophy

brian day · Post by **brian day** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:38 pm

Gary, how the hell can you call a comp like that? Have you not read the annuls of the club comp constitution?
The club comp must be called on the last weekend in the month,,,,,ooops it is!
It must be called on; a cold misty windy day on a hill in Northumberland with tasks such as wingovers 10ft from the ground, an out and return 50ft from take off and another task held after sun down. or on a windless day which means that the fastest runner wins.
Where were your thoughts on safety,,,,,,,safety of certain people winning? Thursday was far tooooo much notice for competitors, you must keep this a great deal more secret.
Mid week would be a better choice, perhaps Thursday this week, that would put you and Ali out of the reckoning, although I'm sure you would cancel the holiday!:lol: Not sure that Ali would cancel his great event though?
You were right!

Every weekend from the start of the season should be on hold for a club comp on a hill that is worthy of a comp. It's a CLUB COMP, not a comp which has to be called on a site in Northumberland. Unless there is an 'Honoury rule book' which is kept a secret to us all.
Vive La Revolution!

ron freeman · Post by **ron freeman** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:58 pm

Deleted, giving up trying.

Bradleisure · Post by **Bradleisure** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:18 pm

Ron please don't give up...

Just try and make the critique more constructive.

We've not met yet, but from what people say you have plenty to offer to make this another great club comp.

PS Can we make goal a field in Appleby via the Kirkby Thore Works!!!

Creamy!?!?

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