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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Clough Head Struggle Reply with quote

Hi all, went to Clough Head on Thursday and had a tricky time again. I really do think that it is a difficult flight, probably one of the hardest ive done so far. As with any flight, conditions mean a lot, but the topography of a ridge plays a part too. Ive heard it called the 'milk run' which does not do it justice, it wouldnt be my choice for a first xc thats for sure, so many variables, so many potential dangers.
One poor chap had an accident on Thursday and left in the air ambulance having come to grief above thirlspot. Im not sure of the details of his accident but wish him well in his recovery.
I know loads will have done this flight and had no problems but i found it tricky for sure.
On the day i watched lance fly into the first gully and come back twice, so i thought it wasnt on for today. I only saw 1 other head south and he went from base. I left tracking diagonally left and back, heading as high up in the gully as possible. A welcome boost came from the far side of the gully where the wind was getting stronger. I ended up toward the head of the gully where i needed a small amount of bar to track left and push forward. From here onward the wind turned further from the north due to the valley effect, this also increased turbulence which acts horizontally and vertically. This effect makes finding lift more difficult and it is a matter of taking one step at a time, learning from that and changing the next stage to suit for me. Strong punchy thermals added to the mix with gusts and lulls, not a place to scratch. My built in safety margin i like to keep in reserve was getting bigger by the minute, but the terrain high up gets flatter, so escape routes get trickier to find.
At Brown Cove crags i got a welcome lift and used every bit whilst checking out the next bit. Great views over helvellyn summit. If you are not high by now its time to land at thirlspot, in my opinion, as the next stage has trees, water, accelerated valley wind, surface turbulence and rocks. Just my opinion with very little experience.
Once past Brown Cove crags i tried to stay out of the turbulence behind by pushing out a bit, sacrificing height for safety, heading for a steepening below the walkers path from dollywagon pike, the top of which is a spine back so i didnt go all of the way back there, just the side. Past here i pushed out into a broken thermal someone was in from below. I lost a bit of height here and pushed further out above dunmail raise looking for lift. With my bladder about to burst i looked for somewhere high to land, knowing that it would put a dent on my km count but i was starting to rush decisions. I could either glide to grasmere easily or land high on seat sandal and take off again to try to push on. I chose the latter and got above alcot tarn working some wicked little thermals i turned to see ambleside which looked horrendous for landing so decided, given it was now blowing a hoolie to give myself the best chance of a controlled landing in a huge field on the outskirts of the town. A great bit of banter over a pint and some scran rounded the day off. Lance, dave and tony all got to Grasmere beating me and gary got to windermere well done men, smiles all round. We all got our meals free cos i won the bet off the barmaid that i could get gary to buy the most expensive steak in the north:)
Strong thermic days ooze tension at take off and this affected my mood on the day, which is probably why ive flown so defensively. Im still learning loads and next time ill know a bit more, but if its thermic again ill be getting high and going over the back around Brown Cove area, why be a slave to fashion? A harder hitch back but easier safer flying perhaps, plus the views over helvellyn would be great. I dont want to put folk off doing this flight on a different day it may be easier, hopefully this account helps?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading your account Jim - I would surmise one of the reasons why you found it tricky is down to the wind direction the more North there is on the Ridge the bouncier the traditional toping up places get. In my experience, I either try to get high and fly the ridgeline that separates Thirlmere valley from Ullswater. catching lift from both sides or If I am unlikely to get the height I tend to avoid the Traditional 'Milk run route' of flying the higher W-NW bowls and slopes and instead head more directly for Brown Cove keeping away from rotary places. The next stage becomes quite tricky in Northerly conditions with the next section generally in the lee of Brown cove. Here it is important to fly decisively and actively. The area, beyond Seat Sandel can get very lumpy particularly. Catch what you can and move on. I often then make a be-line for Loughrigg Terrace though there are little in the way of easy landing options here however. Over the back, you are heading for much flatter terrain down the west side of Windermere, which is a great experience. It is also possible from here to drop onto Wansfell and continue down the east side of the Windermere.

Flying xc is all about flying the conditions and not simply flying the route that that was possible the day before.

The Clough ridge run can be a milk run I have flown it only to turn at take off and again coming into land at Troutbeck and other times it has taken a good 90 mins to get past Ambleside.

Glad you had another good day - I was gutted I was all caught up and could not make it out on Thursday.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent write-up Jim and thanks for some very insightful comments from Kitt.

I was lucky enough to more or less straight line it past Helvelen picking up height as needed on Northern sides of the shoulders on the way down.

Guess the extra speed and performance of my wing made up for my decision to start the route so late.

It was then a dive through the Dunmail Raise Gap with ease (I may be a fatty but nearly 80KPH! without bar!!! ). Confused

Probalby made the wrong decisions from there on trying to do the same height top ups on Seatsandle, Greatrigg Moss & Forest Side (Getting quite a Kicking on all three, thanks to the wing for being such a gem).  :

With hindsight and Kitts wise words (plus a bit of Google Earth & Relief Maps) I should of headed to the screamingly obvious (It was calling me) next top up of Loughrigg with the wind on the lake heading smack on to it!!! Idea

Was truely a day to remember and great crack!  :D

Please please please weather gods give us one more before we head into the dark depths! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're getting it Tony,
There are alot of signals to help you choose the right route for the day and when you read them right the route become much more of a 'milk run'

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting Kitt, cheers. The flight wasnt too bouncy on the day, just difficult finding good lift. I went alone as no one looked too interested probably waiting to see if it was working. I am looking at the map following your suggestions. I can see why i got lift over alcock tarn as the easedale valley wind comes in from the nw. I should have been more patient here as the lift was strong, i could have kept going and probably should have as i would have learnt more for next time. Wansfell looks like a canny trigger point but loughrigg terrace looks committing with an approach over water.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right about Loughrigg - It is only worth contemplating when there is a good north wind showing on the Lake and dont do it towards the end of the day either. It is just like it is often worth going into the space behind 'The Lion and the Lamb' but not on a northerly. On the right day itis a good convergence zone.

Sounds like you need to get the beers in...

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really interesting posts here guys, here's my experience from the day.

I arrived at Grasmere about 2.30 I think, scratched on the N end of Alcot Tarn for a few minutes as it was obvious from the traditional bumpy ride down past Seat Sandal that the wind was off to North, before deciding to land in the showground. As soon as I flew southwards in a curve round to the showground, immediate lift  :)

Was apparent that the wind was quite strong N to NNW by then - hence very interested in your points about Loughrigg, Kitt. I then spent 15 mins or so floating around over Grasmere at around 1500ft amsl with a strong wind from the NNW, with big ears in a lot of the time. Should have gone for Ambleside I suppose but as I hadn't landed there before wasn't sure about landing options there or in between.

It felt like there was a large volume of air hammering down Dunmail from the north, and with few ways out of the Grasmere bowl, a lot of it was then lifting, especially mixed in with a few thermals kicking off from Grasmere village itself, the whole valley seemed to be lifting off as it didn't matter where I flew it was virtually all going up.

I can see now why it can sometimes make sense to use the north side of Loughrigg, though I suspect that I could have put on a lot of height directly above Grasmere village on this occasion to top up for a run further south.

Note to self: Maybe a bit too timorous on this occasion but more prepared for next time  :D

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davehorne wrote:
I suspect that I could have put on a lot of height directly above Grasmere village on this occasion to top up for a run further south.


The simple answer Dave If you suspect you could ,you should try. That it what Xc is all about; putting Hypothesise to the test and then dealing with the experience ( In most cases this is a positive experience but occasional you do need to make use of the plan B )

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well we are Storm held here in Oban waiting for ferry to venture out to Tiree. The above posts have made really interesting Reading. Maybe we should have an archive for such informative posts.
Well done all sounds like you all did well but more importantly had really enjoyable flights
Good luck for HG comp tomorrow

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep a great flight but like you say a much different flight 4 years to the day that i done the first ime. i think if you compare you will see my first flight was more a ridge run and risk 4 years on and knowledge i think i was much higher and took as much lift as i cold with putting myself in direct compression. funny how the longer you fly the more you think about the topogrphy and where and where not to be even if it means going down. mind i probably court the most violant thermal in 400 hours on my way down. though i managed to stay partly in it at times i thought i was going to loose my wing, from screeming up to breaking to core and not moving only soft and floppy. but i knew i had lots of height so no worries, funny how now when i am high there is no stress as before i felt safe low.

a great flight watching dave lance jim and several others going down and making there own decisions.

but best of all was the good old camaraderie in the pub later with all the smiles and thanks too jim for retrieving me, as he obviously has the knack of hitching, i think my shirt tie and dinner jacket put people off

cheers gary
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kay wrote:
Maybe we should have an archive for such informative posts.


We do and its now in there.

You can find the link in the stories/articles page. If ever there is something you beleive should be included just send me a pm.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Colin, Good idea Kay, all useful stuff from the contributors.
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